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GamesGuyTV
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410 Errors

If you don't know what is a 410 error, then
Wikipedia wrote:
Indicates that the resource requested is no longer available and will not be available again. This should be used when a resource has been intentionally removed and the resource should be purged. Upon receiving a 410 status code, the client should not request the resource in the future. Clients such as search engines should remove the resource from their indices. Most use cases do not require clients and search engines to purge the resource, and a “404 Not Found” may be used instead.

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It appears when you try to visit a deleted user (If the account was deleted by owner), forum topics, censored projects, removed pages

A reason to add this is that it would help tell the difference between non-existent and removed content

Last edited by GamesGuyTV (June 21, 2018 19:33:28)


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DaEpikDude
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When do you get this error, though? I've personally never heard about it.

Plus, if most pages just recycle the 404 error instead that'd be fine since we already have a 404 error page.

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GamesGuyTV
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410 Errors

Bump

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hedgehog_blue
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We already have an error page that explains the errors perfectly fine.
In fact, this one might actually be harder to understand, because not all nonexisting pages used to exist. Some links never existed, and could be a typo by a person, leading them to think the page they wanted to go to was deleted.

GamesGuyTV
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hedgehog_blue wrote:

We already have an error page that explains the errors perfectly fine.
In fact, this one might actually be harder to understand, because not all nonexisting pages used to exist. Some links never existed, and could be a typo by a person, leading them to think the page they wanted to go to was deleted.
I mean like it only happens when you visit something that use to exist but was permanently removed

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asivi
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So, lt, what is your suggestion?
GamesGuyTV
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asivi wrote:

So, lt, what is your suggestion?
A error that appears when you visit something that used to exist but was permanently removed

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dude341
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Support, this would help people tell the difference between non-existent and removed content.
But the message should be “Oh noes! It looks like this page has been removed forever. Try searching for something similar here:”
“Requesting” is something the computer does.

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KJRYoshi07
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No Support. Why would this be useful?
Why does the 60 second rule hate me?
And the sixty second rule hit me again.

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GamesGuyTV
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KJRYoshi07 wrote:

No Support. Why would this be useful?
Why does the 60 second rule hate me?
And the sixty second rule hit me again.
As Dude341 said, this would help people tell the difference between non-existent and removed content

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KJRYoshi07
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GamesGuyTV wrote:

KJRYoshi07 wrote:

No Support. Why would this be useful?
Why does the 60 second rule hate me?
And the sixty second rule hit me again.
As Dude341 said, this would help people tell the difference between non-existent and removed content
But why do we need to tell the difference?

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dude341
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KJRYoshi07 wrote:

But why do we need to tell the difference?
Well, if something gives a 404, then it might be something you can visit in the future. If something gives a 410, you know it will never be available and there is no point visiting it.

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kenny2scratch
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According to the RFC spec, 410 is used when the requested resource is known to be unavailable and will be unavailable forever. For things like kaj's profile, (or the profile of any banned user) however, it might be better to say “I don't know what you're talking about” (i.e. a 404) rather than “Oh, that thing! It's gone.”. I recommend keeping it on 404.

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dude341
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410 Errors

kenny2scratch wrote:

According to the RFC spec, 410 is used when the requested resource is known to be unavailable and will be unavailable forever. For things like kaj's profile, (or the profile of any banned user) however, it might be better to say “I don't know what you're talking about” (i.e. a 404) rather than “Oh, that thing! It's gone.”. I recommend keeping it on 404.
Banned users can keep the 404 due to Scratch rules, but other things can 410.

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GamesGuyTV
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dude341 wrote:

Mockup https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxy.canberra.edu.au/projects/222613606/
Nice I like that I will be using that in my suggestion

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GamesGuyTV
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dude341 wrote:

kenny2scratch wrote:

According to the RFC spec, 410 is used when the requested resource is known to be unavailable and will be unavailable forever. For things like kaj's profile, (or the profile of any banned user) however, it might be better to say “I don't know what you're talking about” (i.e. a 404) rather than “Oh, that thing! It's gone.”. I recommend keeping it on 404.
Banned users can keep the 404 due to Scratch rules, but other things can 410.
Agreed

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Solmux
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kenny2scratch wrote:

According to the RFC spec, 410 is used when the requested resource is known to be unavailable and will be unavailable forever. For things like kaj's profile, (or the profile of any banned user) however, it might be better to say “I don't know what you're talking about” (i.e. a 404) rather than “Oh, that thing! It's gone.”. I recommend keeping it on 404.
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KJRYoshi07
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dude341 wrote:

KJRYoshi07 wrote:

But why do we need to tell the difference?
Well, if something gives a 404, then it might be something you can visit in the future. If something gives a 410, you know it will never be available and there is no point visiting it.
But, someone might create a project with the exact same name, so it would be available again.
Completely forgot projects had codes. *Facepalms*

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dude341
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KJRYoshi07 wrote:

dude341 wrote:

KJRYoshi07 wrote:

But why do we need to tell the difference?
Well, if something gives a 404, then it might be something you can visit in the future. If something gives a 410, you know it will never be available and there is no point visiting it.
But, someone might create a project with the exact same name, so it would be available again.
No, it wouldn't. It would be on a different page, and it only shares the name, that's it. If it were a copy, it would get taken down because of the guidelines. I don't think you're getting the point here.

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